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Something I just realized.
Topic Started: Mar 12 2011, 03:35 AM (3,019 Views)
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In the Super 17 Arc. Trunks is beaten by #17, but can knock down Yakon, and with his blast combined with Goten's can kill Yakon.

But isn't Yakon > #17?

Another GT plothole, or did Trunks just take Yakon by surprise?
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it's possible that 17 was more powerful than in z. 19/20 were able to increase their maximum power, and there is some evidence that 18 might have been much stronger in the buu saga.
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Yakon? This guy?
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Stronger than #17? Who is stronger than frieza and nearly at super sayajin levels?
Uh hell no. 17 could rip him apart. Goku doesn't even break a sweat fighting him.
When did trunks fight him?
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Uh Goku fought evenly with Yakon, and you have a point with #17 lunar...but by how much did they increase his power?

Also didn't Vegeta still train between Z and GT?
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yeah, but 17 may also have been gaining power because of the hell fighter being on earth. dr. gero did say that 17 wasn't at full power to begin with, so maybe hell fighter 17 was boosting him through their link.
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True, but he couldn't be out of Vegeta's league, because he was rushing the other 17 to show up and merge because he wanted to end it.

So that tells me that #17 was still weaker than Vegeta.
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yeah. wasn't vegeta fighting in base? i don't remember. but between the (possible) large power ups 17 and 18 get over time, and the dormant power 17 already had, no real plotholes here.
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He was in base, and how I thought of Vegeta's numbers...I just took the progression percent over the 7 years and divided it by 7 and got the percent per year, then times it by 10, added it, then by 5 and added that.

Since that's the only thing we have to go by, I also did the same for Gohan's decrease over the 7 years and did the same.

Edit: I just realized that if I do that with Vegeta, then his Base is higher then Boo arc Ultimate Gohan.
Edited by Saberoph, Mar 12 2011, 04:52 AM.
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no, he was about even with goku. so his base should be even with buu arc ssj3 goku.
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Yea, between when I posted that and a little while ago I realized Goku's Base was that high and realized it's right.

Is it be, but does my percentage idea make sense?...I mean since we don't have anything else to go by.
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idk. that's a lot more thinking than i put into it. i don't worry all that much about how they get as strong as they do, especially with gt, i just worry about how strong they are. it's simpler.
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I'm just as confused as Shedra. Who are we talking about here?

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In the Super 17 Arc. Trunks is beaten by #17, but can knock down Yakon, and with his blast combined with Goten's can kill Yakon.

But isn't Yakon > #17?

Another GT plothole, or did Trunks just take Yakon by surprise?


@lunar, it's actually not that much thinking, just get the yearly percent(That's by playing around with numbers, . whatever behind it, then add the two numbers...and there ya go), then times that by the current Base, then add the two numbers, in Gohan's case subtract, and there you go.

Edited by Saberoph, Mar 12 2011, 07:29 AM.
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Still seems like a lot more work than I usually put in. Haha.

But yeah, No.17 just had a buttload of power and I'd reckon because Hell Fighter 17 was created, it started to come out, which is why he could fight Base Vegeta so evenly.
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Good point, but it's not really that much work, it just looks like it through writing, but through actually doing it, it's not as hard. bow chicka wow wow. :D

But the whole progression and regression seems logical to me.
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